
There is something about Hank O’Neal that gets the proverbial goat in me. He’s pleasant enough, and generous, too. He treated me like an old friend’s friend, patiently answering my inquiries, and even allowing me to look with him through the lens of his camera, sharing a recent capture from a weather beaten altered ad of Kate Moss…But, I am admittedly flawed, and the serendipitous luck he spoke of in his life brought to mind in me the realization that drives me mad;
Life is a random string of events, while coincidence seems less than random.
Hank spoke of a lifetime filled with life altering coincidental meetings that swept him along seemingly without any rudder. His success appears to be the effortless outcome of being in the right place at the right time. I can’t even refer to him as an opportunist because that requires effort, and Hank presents himself as hapless. I get the feeling that I did not really get the full story from Hank, surely he was holding back. Did I meet a public facade of retold stories (great stories) about famous people? I heard tell of amazing visual encounters, with the overwhelming spectacle, of the up close visual inspection of street life on a global one world scale. I’m not sure if I met the artist or the ex CIA man using the craft of personal camouflage. Doesn’t much matter. Hank, in his affable generosity, left me with his portrait, trusting me with my $99 Kodak lens .*k.d.
k.d.- There is another thing that makes me curious, Hank. It is how you ended up in the CIA. Was it one of those deals where you were recruited on your college campus during the 1970’s because you were smart?
Hank O’Neal- Actually, my dear, it was during the 50’s. I graduated from high school in June of 1958 and went to college in September of 1958. I was told I had to be an engineer and I had 6 colleges to go to, I had my choice…MIT, RPI, Texas A&M, Case, Indiana University…and what did I leave out? Something…I went to RPI because it was closest to Syracuse where I lived and I could use my state scholarship, and I got $500 whole dollars, which was a big deal, when your tuition’s only about $700 bucks.
k.d.-Sure.
Hank O’Neal- and I went to RPI, wound up hating it, didn’t want to be an engineer…went back to call my Daddy and I said, “Please,… come get me into Syracuse, I’ll work hard, whatever…I’ll make up the credits”…He did, and by accident I took a course in Russian government and did very well at it. I was trusting and naive. I didn’t even know it was a graduate course, but I did well and I signed up for another course with that professor. The professor said…the professor said after I did this, he said (Hank imitates the professor in a serious funny voice), ” Mr. O’Neal, ahhh you did very well in my class do you know what you’re going to be doing when you graduate from college?” And I said, “Professor Bishop, I’m 19 years old. I don’t know what I am going to be doing tomorrow…and he says, “I want you to talk to someone.” So, in the spring of 1959 he had me talk to the CIA guy who came through town once or twice a year. They talked to me every year, every semester until my senior year, and then they thought I was okay…and they said, “You want to take some tests?” And I said,”Why not?” So, I took all the foreign service exams and all that kind of nonsense…and by spring of senior year I had 3 jobs on the table. I was going to either be in the regular Army…’cause I was second in my class, or an assistant to a New York Senator because my political science professor had done that, or I had the CIA. I wound up opting for the CIA because they had a program which enabled me to do my 2 years of active military service with them without a uniform.
k.d.- Nice
Hank O’Neal-And the bureaucracy in the Army was just, I mean my father was…well, a full time soldier…it just didn’t work. So, I did the CIA thing, and as a result, every thing that has happened to me spun from that…that decision.
k.d.-Isn’t that something?
Hank O’Neal- Because it turned out the man who was my first real boss…I mean, I was very lucky in that I got to spend 7 months in the Office of National Estimates as a 24 year old, and I actually got to work with Sherman Kent, Unitas Smith, and all these people who were the smartest people I have ever known. And I couldn’t stay there because I was outed in that office. I had to work in that office because somebody had quit and I did that job, but I had to do it in true name…which meant I could never be in the clandestine services…so, they did the next best thing which was the Office of Operations for Domestic Activity. The Office of Operations for Domestic Activity was run by a man named Squirrel Ashcroft, E.M. Ashcroft the 3rd who had played with Bix Beiderbecke in the 1920’s, had seen Louis Armstrong and King Oliver at the Lincoln Gardens, so I was home free.
k.d.-That’s great.
Hank O’Neal-And he set me up with everything in music to start with when I got to New York.
k.d.- Wow, serendipitous crazy luck.
Hank O’Neal- Of course, when I got to New York I could pick up the phone, call Ahmet Ertegun and he would take my call, because Squirrel Ashcroft had told him to talk to me, or John Hammond or whoever.
k.d.- All because of ending up in that graduate level Russian government course as a college freshman…Wow, that’s amazing, people have no idea…small decisions, how they affect life.
Hank O’Neal-Little things make a difference. If my father had not elected, if he had taken the first job he was offered out of college, which was to be a principal of a school in Mineral Wells, Texas. I can remember walking up the steps to this school, big tall weeds growing out of ‘em. He said, “No, I’m not going to do that. I’m gonna go on and get my doctorate”, which got us out of Texas. I’d be a used car salesman, or dead…Because he went and got his doctorate at the University and then went from there to Syracuse…
k.d.- That’s amazing
Hank O’Neal- If it hadn’t been for the GI Bill, he came back from the Army in 1946 and was so sick he couldn’t move . He was in Military Hospitals for 2 years and when he got out he went to college as a freshman at 38.
k.d.- I think our parents must be about the same age Hank.
Hank O’Neal- Mine would be 90? my dad was born in 1910.
k.d.-He’s a little older than my dad he was born in 1918..Now that was an interesting story. I wondered about it, I was curious.
Hank O’Neal- I never regretted a minute of it. I was the office lefty. I was with the CIA but all of my left wing friends…it was not a problem. I mean the lady, Berenice Abbott, she didn’t carry a card…but, as close as you could get…
k.d.-Oh yeah. I looked at the photos and I saw the one of her dresser?
Hank O’Neal- No that was my girlfriend’s mothers dresser, Pauline (?). No, Berenice did not believe in religious ideas. Berenice hated 2 or 3 things…more than anything else in the world and one of them was the Catholic Church. Because of what they did to girls, however one time Berenice decided that…umm…I had given her a record that I had made with Mary Lou Williams a great piano player, and she just loved Mary Lou Williams, and she says, “Hank, I want to learn to play the piano like Mary Lou Williams”…And I said, “Well, good luck, you’re a hundred and nine”…and she said, “Do you think you could get her to come up here? to Moose Head Lake Maine?”…And I said…I thought to myself, “Hmm…I’ll bet I could , but you might not like some of the trappings”…and she said, “What do you mean?” I said, “Well, Mary Lou has a manager who is a very devout Jesuit priest…A JESUIT PRIEST, BERENICE…he has to go to church everyday. He has a special dispensation take care of Mary Lou.” And she says,”Well, I would really like to see her.” And I said, “Well, okay,” because I can hook it up with Father O’Brien…he officiated at our wedding, for heaven sakes…and he brought Mary Lou to Moose Head Lake.
k.d.-She actually came?
Hank O’Neal-And hung out for a week on the lake, and relaxed and everything, and Berenice actually took them to church in Greeneville and sat in the car like this (Hank hunches up his shoulders and scowls) while Mary and Peter went to church. She didn’t like church.
k.d.- Yeah, I don’t blame her. You know, I saw online today in the headlines that the Pope has his own fragrance, now…did you see that?.
a.s.-You’re kidding me!
k.d.-No, I am not kidding, I don’t watch T.V., but I saw it on my Yahoo home page…a picture of the Pope, holding up his hands…now it’s not for sale, it’s a personal fragrance.
Hank O’Neal- It’s a little creepy…
k.d.-It’s creepy, I was immediately creeped out, and of course they had this great picture of him…so, yeah, I have another question…I don’t know if you have…
Hank O’Neal-Look(he points to the wall next to his seat in the office). You have religious gum…it says “King of the Chews”, it’s wonderful! Where did you get that? You should stock it out there in the gift shop.
k.d.-Okay, I have another question; I know when I shoot, I return to the same locations a lot. Just last week I finally got a good picture of a place I’ve been trying to shoot for a couple of years…so, are there locations you return to again and again?
Hank O’Neal-Of course, all the time…because you’re not going to get an interesting picture of graffiti on the side of the Empire State building, but you certainly might on the Williamsburg Bridge. So, you go back to the Williamsburg Bridge…you never go to the Empire State building. It’s pretty simple…or, you make it part of a project. I go back to highway 80 in east Texas all the time…because, god, somethings gonna be different, somethings gonna change, and sometime I’m gonna see something I didn’t see…the light’s gonna hit that in a different way.
k.d.-Is there a place you still haven’t got a good picture of? That is like burning for you? For me there is a shot I’ve been trying to get for years.
Hank O’Neal-You just keep trying.
k.d.-Well, cool, I’m really excited to about seeing you talk tonight.
Hank O’Neal-I’ll probably just mumble a lot and not say anything.
k.d.- Well, no, you’re really funny…I could always play this tape for them.
Hank O’Neal- Well, sure.
k.d.-Yeah, let’s just put the tape on.
Hank O’Neal-Amanda was going to put me in the wheelchair and I was going to do the entire lecture from the wheelchair, then at the end I was gonna jump up and say hallelujah!
k.d.-That’s hilarious…you should do it.
Hank O’Neal-You know who used to do that to great effect?…it was so good because he would come out, Bo Diddly in his last years, he’d be sitting there playing this thing and he’d get down to the last set and he’d be playing “Hey Bo Diddly” or what not, and then finally he’d struggle up and he’d go into another one and everybody would go crazy…it was a great tool.
k.d.-That’s a great piece of performance…So, that’s the interview, officially over, but I will take that picture…
thanks, Hank.*k.d.

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